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Speakers Corner: The LF Forum > Is it weird to be of a certain age and like hip-hop?

Obviously, if you're 18, you like it and that's accepted because it does seem like the 'trendy' thing to listen to, but if someone is 35 and openly listens to it - do people think that's weird?

July 29, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMark L

er... no. of course not. Are you suggesting that Hip Hop is only for kids? And what do you define as Hip Hop anyway? I was a teenager (and a rapper!) in the 80's so is it so strange that I still listen to Hip Hop (although admittedly it's not the newer stuff).

I don't think any kind of music has an age limit. why should it? That's a bit like saying comics and video games are for the under 30's...

July 29, 2010 | Registered CommenterDenis-Jose Francois

The thing is Hip-Hop actually meant something in the 80s and 90s, it was a poltical thing it was a cultural thing it was social commentary, it was story telling from the street, it was repesenting those with little or no voice. Now what the fuck is it? Its about clothing labels, production, films, and angry people making loads of stuff up because their backgrounds are so middle class they've got nothing to b*tch about.

I'm loungin on the grass felling so ill
with my posse rocking wine bars in Notting Hill
my Diesel jeans is more blingin than yours
ma homes got antique bronze running round the fucking doors
Rollin way out west laid back in my 5.0
Gotta get me a wag gotta get me some big brother hoe
Drinking Evian, chattin shit on my Iphone
Sat nav in the front so i duck the congestion zone

Yeah you bitches love ma X-Factor
I'll have you in the back gettin dirty in ma Chelsea tractor

Uh huh Uhuh YEAH

I don't think hip-hop needs to just be a political or conscious perspective - party/good time music is just as important as any other.

Denis - How come you don't listen to the newer stuff?

August 2, 2010 | Registered CommenterI M S

>> How come you don't listen to the newer stuff?

Because, for the most part, I don't find anything interesting in the lyrics. Or anything I can really identify with. that could just be cause I'm 25 years older now and not interested in the same things anymore.

Hip Hop in the 80's was truly underground. Only very small labels released tracks and thus the quality of work needed to get a deal was much much higher. Somewhere in the 90's it crossed over into the commercial sphere and it became that much easier to get a release. For a while that was good... but then, with everyone (the record companies) trying to jump on the bandwagon, it didn't take very much to get a track out and as a result, I feel, the quality severely lowered.

Hopefully the recent production & distribution revolution (cheap software tools & the internet) will change things again, although I'm not sure in which direction.

In principle, the handing of the gate keys to the masses should be a good thing. Music (or art of any kind) should never be a private club with entry controlled by the big shadowy corporations. But, like other industries (journalism for instance), the question is, should there still be gatekeepers?

August 2, 2010 | Registered CommenterDenis-Jose Francois

I would struggle to count on one hand the number of post 80s and 90s hip-hop artists that interest me these days.

The artists i follow now are still the artists i followed back then. Scroobius Pip, Buck 65, ELP, Dalek, Roots Manuva, Saul Williams and maybe Blackalicious and The Roots if they weren't round before the noughties are a few exceptions to that rule, but these are mainly more independent/underground/leftfield artists who are not quite mainstream.

I quite like Kayne West but what exactly does he have to say about anything? Even Jay Z and Nas are peddling the same old same old, Puffy is still twatting on about Biggie Smalls, nothing has really moved on since the 90s except the correlation between dance floor music and rap???

I do need my hip-hop to be about something, not just a bunch of blokes pratting on about how everyone else is crap and they are the best and they're rich and have all the b*tches and once (30yrs ago) hailed from the streets of somewhere dangerous and once new someone who was almost shot. Actually what am i saying i used to love that snizzle! Maybe i am getting old.

Even hip-hop that solely focused on marijuana was more interesting than most of the stuff around nowadays. I don't think anyone in the 80s or 90s would name themself 'Chipmunk' either.

August 2, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterDan Collacott

Synchronicity? Only a week or so I stumbled across this website: http://rateyourmusic.com/list/diction/80s_hip_hop__top_100

Apart from a delightful flashback to days where we thought 'posse' was something you simply decided to do after school, tagging should really be done on your school bag and grafitti was only done on walls if your sketch pad wasn't big enough, it underlined your point precisely.

I challenge anyone not to stomp a foot when listening to 'The Album' by Mantronix, to disagree with the notion that Erik B. really is the president and not to see the point that when Marley Marl raps 'The Symphony' it is exactly that.

And....noble as the cause might be, could the international media please stop referring to Wyclef Jean as the individual who might possibly become the first 'Hip-Hop' president? As said, that honour is Erik B's.

August 6, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterFJ
August 7, 2010 | Registered CommenterDenis-Jose Francois

I rediscovered Stetsasonic the other day - class

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgmfyFm30OE

August 10, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterDan Collacott

[grumpyoldman]Nobody of any age should be listening to 99.9% of new Hip Hop as it's complete shite[/grumpyoldman]

The only Hip hop album I've bought this year is The Roots - How I Got Over, and it's simply superb (though I am a complete Roots fanboy). Related (but not Hip Hop) eager to check out the upcopming album from John Legend & The Roots, have one track that was given away free and it's excellent.

The only other Hip Hop album I'm considering is Black Milk's forthcoming one. Popular Demand was excellent and his second album Tronic was grreat, but not as good as Popular Demand.

If Blackalicious or People Under The Stairs released a new album, I'd probably by that too.

Yours truly,

Ming waves

September 8, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMing

I'm ashamed to say that I still haven't heard the new Roots record, although it's on my list of music to buy. I am also very keen for the collab album with John Legend - when is that out anyway?

September 9, 2010 | Registered CommenterI M S

tut tut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyLzQrors9g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Qr5oKKP-M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKIUJZr1×4

18th October here, late September in the US (I think)

September 9, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMing

Free track from the John Legend & The Roots album available here http://www.levispioneersessions.com/artists/john-legend-the-roots/

September 9, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMing

this sounds excellent - thanks for the links. i better pull my finger out.

very much looking forward to the roots/legend album now even moreso.

September 14, 2010 | Registered CommenterI M S